Tuesday, November 19,
2002
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BRIT HUME, HOST: So, Hans
Blix and his team have now set foot in Iraq with the real test
to come when Iraq either continues to deny it has any weapons
of mass destruction or refuses access to places where
inspectors suspect Iraq may be hiding them. That will be Hans
Blix's moment. What sort of man is he? For answers, we turn to
Steven Dolley, Research Director at the Nuclear Control
Institute who recently published a background paper on what
U.N. inspectors are likely to encounter in Iraq. Welcome to
you, sir, glad to have you.
STEVEN DOLLEY, NUCLEAR CONTROL
INSTITUTE: Thank you.
HUME: In that comment you heard Hans
Blix make you know, we got the U.N. on the one hand and Iraq
on the other hand and peace is sort of up to both of them and
we're just the guys, you know, we're the neutral figures in
the middle. It makes Blix sound like somebody who kind of
wonders, you know, sort of a neutral figure in all this. What
sort of man is he and what sort of attitude is he likely to
take?
DOLLEY: Well, Dr. Blix is correctly
explaining his position as a diplomat and an inspector, but in
the past he sometimes in the IAEA and the International Atomic
Energy Agency under his leadership in the earlier
inspections...
HUME: Now, he was earlier -- he had
a role in the earlier inspection undertakings.
DOLLEY: He did.
HUME: And this goes back to the
early '90s.
DOLLEY: The post-Gulf war inspection
from '91 to '98.
HUME: Right. He was the atomic side
of that right, the nuclear side, yes.
DOLLEY: That's correct. Yes.
HUME: Under the earlier leaders of
this.
DOLLEY: That's right and now he's in
charge of UNMOVIC, which is handling the chemical, biological,
and missile inspections. When the International Atomic Energy
Agency did reveal a lot of Iraq's nuclear program and
destroyed a good deal of it, but there were many unresolved
issues even before the inspectors left in 1998.
And even before the inspectors left, the
IAEA said it had reached a point of diminishing returns, even
though there were a number of unresolved issues and basically
kicked the question back to the Security Council and said they
wanted to move to a monitoring posture, rather than continuing
the aggressive inspections. We're concerned by that and
concerned by sometimes the lack of aggressive follow-up on
Iraqi excuses along the lines of the dog ate my homework. We
unilaterally destroyed things and that...
HUME: In other words, they would
say, yes we know what you're talking about there but we
destroyed that already.
DOLLEY: Right.
HUME: And there would be no attempt
to verify that, is that what you're talking about?
DOLLEY: That's right or the Iraqis
would give them an enormous pile of debris and say this is
what's left, have fun. And, there was not always as aggressive
follow-up on that. A number of very important issues, right
down to the design of Iraq's nuclear bomb, were not
successfully followed up on. We hope that won't be the case
this time around.
HUME: Now, UNMOVIC, I won't go into
the details of what that stands for, is a successor to UNSCOM,
which was the earlier inspection regime. That was adversarial,
aggressive. I guess it had to be. What's the difference
between UNSCOM as it was constituted and UNMOVIC, the
successor agency in terms of the way it was constituted and
what it was intended to do?
DOLLEY: Well, under the new
resolution, UNMOVIC, the current agency, has much broader
authority and there are much stricter requirements of Iraq.
There is a sincere effort to eliminate a lot of the excuses
and the evasions Iraq has used in the past.
HUME: But UNMOVIC itself, though,
previously existed and it existed as the second, it was sort
the reconstituted weapons authority. What was the difference
between it and UNSCOM when UNMOVIC was first constituted?
DOLLEY: Well, the resolution that
preceded the most recent one was not as satisfactory, but the
organization structurally is very similar. They have a more of
a bureaucracy they need to go through. It has a lot more to
do, I think, with how it's actually carried out and that's why
we have some of the concerns. Ralph Vicayes, Richard Butler,
and the heads of UNSCOM were not as willing to accept the
excuses and evasions at face value, whereas, the IAEA often
concentrated on being collegial based on their previous
peaceful safeguarding experience and that's not always
appropriate in this context.
HUME: All right, now they go in
there now with a very full grant of authority to go where they
need to go, confront the Iraqis when they need to. Nothing is
supposed to be off limits. What about these inspectors
themselves? When UNMOVIC was created after UNSCOM was
disassembled, some of the toughest, most seasoned inspectors
were lost to the cause. What about this team? What kind of
inspectors do we have here? Are these the right people for the
kind of job they have?
DOLLEY: Well, they did a very
thorough search for the right people. About three-fourths of
them don't have previous experience in Iraq inspections but
there is the knowledge of how the previous inspections were
carried out, how the Iraqis attempted to thwart them, and I'm
sure these inspectors have been well briefed on that.
HUME: Is it a problem that they have
not been in Iraq before and so many of them have never been to
Iraq before?
DOLLEY: It is a steep learning
curve, but I think they've done the best to get the right
folks for the job and a lot of it is going to come down to
when they run into the excuses, how do they follow-up on
them.
HUME: Now, let me just ask you
another question that keeps coming up and that is, we're
talking here about, you know, kind of a hide-and-seek
approach, detective approach, aggressive approach. I've heard
people say that the critical element, if that's what it comes
down to it can never succeed, that the only thing that would
really work would be if Iraq came clean, said what it had, and
the inspectors' job was then simply to verify the truth of
Iraq's declarations. What if Iraq does not -- I mean how
important is that and what happens if Iraq is unwilling to do
that?
DOLLEY: That's very important and I
don't think anyone believes Iraq is going to come clean and
just hand over weapons of mass destruction. Also, the
inspectors would have to be extremely lucky, even with good
intelligence, to find the actual weapons, say chemical and
biological weapon shells, let alone the nuclear bomb. I think
if the U.S. or other nations, state intelligence agencies knew
where that stuff was, they probably would have already bombed
it into oblivion.
So, the goal of the inspectors is going to
have to be to get a general picture of the program, how far
it's advanced and attempt to tease out leads from that. It's
not going to be as simple as pulling back a garage door and
finding biological weapons.
HUME: All right, Mr. Dolley thank
you very much for coming in. It's a pleasure to have you. I
hope you'll come back.
DOLLEY: Thank you, Brit.
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